I've been in a gay bar once on a rugby international day.. it was empty we went in they said you know this is a gay bar dont you i said is the beer gay? they let me in lol

A trip to Blackpool sounds good i hear its expensive though up

Well, if your going to Funny Girls in Blackpool you can pick me up, i only live three quarters of an hour away! Lol

Only kidding ;)

No idea maybe maybe not

So you gonna do it?

Emma (wife)

We discussed this ages ago and she did say when were in London maybe i can go out with her more casual look et c and work on that look but since said she couldn't do it. I think I'm still up for going out tho first time in London good or bad thing good being loads of people so Who s gonna notice or loads wouk d notice but yeah somewhere quiet minimal people would be best just to be away from the house outside.

Maybe a topic to talk to Esm e about again.. I quite like the idea of Blackpool but that means baby sitters for the weekend and explaining to the kids why they're not with us.

Found this one too.well Esm e & Davina you going out?

It's fun and exciting try it somewhere quiet first lol

Emma (wife)

The only time we've been in a gay bar was Wales v Ireland 6 nations the pubs in Cardiff rammed the Gay bar empty not sure if my comment was PC but the bouncer said "You know its a gay bar right?" And i replied "Is the beer gay too or are we ok to come in and drink some?"

Lots more talking to do on this idea of going out or not ..

You could go to a gay bar: I've been to three in the last six months and they've been the right sort of friendly places. You're almost certainly guaranteed a thought-provoking conversation or two with some of the other customers.

The music can be a laugh too!

Thanks great advice 😁👍

I took my first steps out about this time last year so thought I would share some thoughts...

I would recommend a trans-friendly venue first before attempting somewhere more adventurous/mainstream. I've been to Miss C's in Ebbw Vale a couple of times and can't recommend it highly enough. It's obviously held in a private house, you can change there if you want and part of the value for me is meeting other trans people face-to-face. It's all well and good chatting to people on chix forums etc. but you can't beat talking 1-2-1 with a "kindred spirit", someone who just gets it and knows what you're going through. There were a range of different people I met there from people waiting to transistion to other closeted newbies like me! What I found invaluable was listening to others experiences of nights out/LFF/Blackpool etc, first hand tips on driving in heels/flats even navigating hotel receptions! Couples/partners are most welcome at Miss C's and it was good listening to the partners' perspectives too. Also a confidence boost was getting feedback on my makeup/outfit which is always welcome :-) Since Miss C's I've been out during the day shopping in London/Cardiff and been on "proper" nights out to trans-friendly venues in Soho/Manchester.

It sure is nerve-wracking setting foot outside for the first time, but once you've done it you'll wonder what all the fuss was about. In my experience 99% of people don't bother or care or notice. The 1% that do are mostly double-takes as somebody is obviously thinking "that's a man" but once they suss they'll look away and not bother anymore. I've taken the tube a few times with never the slightest bother and even checked in/out of hotels whilst dressed and never had a problem so far...

My other advice is don't get too hung up on passing 100% - after a lifetime (well, 40-odd yrs for me!) of living as a male I realise that I'm not going to pass under close inspection... but I am what I am, and having the confidence to go out, held held high has come slowly over time. As long as you dress appropriately and are pleasant and friendly to people you'll be fine.

My husband has told me the London NFL games are announced today so whens the date?

You havent talked about it have you?

Youve gone all shy on it Both of you?

Take small steps we've been out but not in public per say but to Blackpool, and event called Sparkle in Manchester which was fun there are defInately more tgirls than you think and it was nice to interact with other tgirls and wives and girlfriends there but if you think Davina can look convincing enough go for it will be a good read im sure when ypu tell us how it went.

HANNAH (WIFE)

Its a big step for sure Esme youre not going somewhere he has to fit in with others or taking him somewhere quiet youre taking him out in public so you must be confident in his look his walk his girl self or have time to practise with your girls nights in its a big step

Have you talked about this again yet sober?

Big Step first time in public

I took Him in the car First for a drive then to a shopping centre out of Town out of hours first try that

HE (mine) would pass in public but a big step for a first time out with Davina

COme back Esme where are you lol

Emma (wife)

Big step out in public Esme

I took mine out in the car initially then to a shopping centre after hours weve not done out in public as in a busy place like Wembley and a pub.

Go for it we look forward to reading about it.

Ive chatted on skype with Davina she can pass in public im sure as she looked very feminine but as above some tgirl friendly venues are available for a first time.

Blackpool is great

Emma (wife)

Some good advice Hannah which i will discuss with Esme.. It is a blod step to go out in public i have to be confident in how i look and manerisms which may take some practise and my wife needs to feel confident that i can pull it off.

LFF and BNO means wed have to make excuses to go away without the kids and get baby sitters and my wife may think Miss Cs too close to home.

The thought of girls night in preparing me for an evening out as Davina working on look, how to dress, walking, sitting etc is quite EXCITING... And daunting.

Blackpool Sounds good Ive Looked up scarlets before but again how to escape WITHOUT KIDS

And i know i mentioned web cams but its a start chatting to others from this forum on cam

Esme will always see you in a wig

We dont know you and better to tell you if you pass or not or what you should do to enhance passing.

A kind of being seen by others you trust before being en fem in public.

Hannah (wife)

Hannah

I agree. Go to 'friendly' places first and build up confidence. If you can pass then you can get away with it but if not then safety in numbers. Obvioulsy no getting away with passing when out with a group of 'over large' women with deep voices!

Katie

Bold move directly out in public.

Id advise a trip to Blackpool a nice b&b called Scarlets a tgirl hotel a bit less public than weatherspoons.

Theres fitting in with other trans then theres fooling the general public that Davina is a woman.

Work on her Look make sure you think She can pass in public.

Id Reccomend A Trans place first. like LFF In Leeds, BNO Milton Keynes or even Miss Cs Ebbw Vales Near you Trans places accepting hotels near by but if you go straight out in public Davina needs to look and act the part girls nights training him for acceptance as a woman to the public.

Hannah (wife)