Ive seen trans people out and about mainly when ive been in london did see one do an early morning walk of shame after a night out in Torquay where the kids exclaimed loudly thats a man! Cringe

Ive seen varying degrees of blending in one at Leicester square in September Esme DIdnt notice but i did by the adams apple a very passable Girl but that adams aplle was her gIve away and her nervous manner we were on the tube with another Tgirl which was a cringe moment mainly due to how she was dressed and made up and her manner which mAde me think brave girls but please try to fit in look convincing if youre out in Public .. We did pass by another tgirl in Wembley I noticed Esme didnt .. The tell was height With heels but wow she looked amazing and as we passed the voice was her 2nd give away but She turned heads for the right reason as she looked fab.

SO i guess even Us Tgirl\Crossdressers can sometimes cringe seeing other trans folk out and about.

The teens are definitely more 'gender fluid' these days, if we're talking clothing that could be either/or. Nothing is thought of young guys in tight jeans, longish hair, painted nails and brightly colored tops. Their girlfriends often look exactly the same! I'm all for it, even though they're not 'neutral' in the sense that they're made to fit one body shape as even crossdressers can't wish away basic biology. But none of these teens are crossdressing in the strictest sense. I'm guessing in many ways, gender neutral clothing actually makes being a crossdresser even more difficult as you'll really stand out like a sore thumb if you're walking about town in heels and tight skirt while literally everyone else is dressed the same!

And don't blame your friend too much for her reaction. Most people feel a bit squeamish about grown men in dresses. I suspect this gender fluid/neutral movement is far more likely to go global than the stereotypical effeminate wigs, skirts and heels for guys as fashion designers have tried this and it hasn't taken off. And in the end, fashion must hold some broad social appeal for both the wearer and the observer and most men are not interested in wearing stereotypical women's clothing and most women are not interested in seeing men in women's clothing, so I think you might be out of luck in that regard. So your friend was just reacting as most people do who don't have a personal relationship with a crossdresser. Maybe you should 'out' yourself and see what she thinks, then?? :-D

And be honest about this, Davina - if you weren't a crossdresser and saw yourself frocked up in wig and heels walking down the street, you'd probably think, on a very primal level which is where it arises for most people, that it was unappealing, too. But you ARE a crossdresser, so seeing this objectively is next to impossible. Doesn't mean it can't or won't change in some far away future, but for now, this is just how it is.

I'm suggesting that she confused the kids story with adults because I've seen virtually nothing about this anywhere... As far as I can make out, this is still more of a catwalk or niche area and really hasn't been taken up by the high street yet. I know that Selfridge's in London introduced a gender-neutral area but that was a couple of years ago and it was basically just men's and women's clothes in plain packaging so men and women would shop alongside each other.

There's a company called 'Gender Neutral Clothing' based out of Brighton (of course) which specialises in this but all over their website they focus on '4 body shapes' or 'our shirts will fit'. I suspect this is because most people doubt that an item of clothing can effectively fit both a male or female body type well. High streets are all about giving you the confidence to purchase the item, I don't see them doing anything substantial if there's a risk to their bottom line in the short term.

Having said that, I'd love to see big department stores get rid of the idea of having a women's floor and a men's floor. I'd far rather have a single Shoes section and an Underwear section with a vast array of lingerie, comfortable pants etc. for women and a couple of sad shelves with boxers, jockeys etc. for the men.

Ive seen the kids clothing and agree if a girl wants a dinosaur tshirt or whatever so what but what she brpught up was Men and Women gender neutral clothing sections

This is mainly kids clothing as far as I'm aware. It's about no longer having pink, unicorn covered clothes in a girls section and blue, robot-footballer clothes in the boys section. Since boys and girls are physically comparable until they hit puberty it makes absolute sense and would encourage kids to shop based on size rather than being shepherded into a specific gender section.

I'm all for this, I see no issue with allowing young kids to shop from the entire range of clothes available. I know that John Lewis are doing it as well and hopefully it will catch on. I've not seen anything about adult, gender-neutral clothing and to be honest I'd have no idea what it was... fundamentally clothes need to fit a body shape so you pretty much have to indicate the body shape at least.