Katie agreed there is a lot of irrational behaviour on either side of the trans debate and its so easy to upset someone as I've said asked to define what a man and woman is I've given the biological response and caused offence.

On how 'convincing' the trans person is as to how they are accepted. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's probably a duck! In London I've seen convincing t girls with my t girl Radar and I've seen some who stood out because of what they were wearing and how they behaved doing no hard but for me if going out You have to blend in.

Women should always feel safe in female only environments it's a hard one and maybe we shouldnt debate this here but some t girls say they have a right to use a womens loo it would be awkward for them to use the gents glammed up but the same time should they be allowed to use the womens loo? End of the day I've been in places with mixed toilets (comedy club in Cardiff i think)..

Paris Lees would blend in and women would have no clue

Awkward one... Where would i go to the loo if out as Davina with Esme.. would have to be female loo and she'd probably have to come with me.

I've seen similar Hannah was it a bald guy interviewing a red head woman?

I have to agree with her views also which won't go down well with some.

I do find some of the trans rights lobby to be OTT but as I've said here before we're all mainly firmly in the crossdresser bracket so hard to comment further but all this gender defining at birth and all that I'm a traditionalist in terms of its a boy or its a girl I don't want to see the day a baby is deemed non binary until old enough to make its mind up.. how confusing for a child.. On the admirers thing I have chatted to some normal blokes and like the compliments on my profile pic on tvchix.. but wouldn't touch a bloke with a barge pole.

They are easy to wind up though lol... then tell them they have no chance as I'm straight and married and dress for fun and escapism mwhuhahaha.

I do think that there is a lot of irrational behaviour on either side of the trans debate. Both sides use extremes and in reality there are trans people living in the community going about their business without causing any issue. I think a lot depend on how 'convincing' the trans person is as to how they are accepted. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and talks like a duck then it's probably a duck!

I get that women want to feel safe in female only environments. I'd also hope that if a trans person made women feel uncomfortable / threatened by their presence then they'd respect the other persons feelings.

I follow a trans woman on twitter - Paris Lees - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-46398143 and I'm not sure if most women would find her threatening in an all female space. The Vogue video is also interesting.

The problem then occur over who you find threatening and who you don't. That is very much a personal opinion. In effect the trans man would be able to use 'female only' spaces if it was down to assigned sex at birth. I'm sure that women who had been abused by a man would not feel comfortable with him at the same shelter as them. If a trans woman such a Paris had been abused by her partner would she be welcome at a women only shelter?

It's all very complicated without any easy solutions and peoples feeling are going to get hurt along the way.

Katie x

I saw a program on you tube last night like a conspiracy channel covering royal family and other things and a woman there an investigative journalist covering the trans phenomenon and the trans lobby and it was very interesting and although im accepting of my husband being a crossdresser or maybe gender fluid whatever im a woman and i have stronger views like this woman did about the trans lobby agenda and our rights as women i wont go there now but one thing they did cover was how a trans woman or t girl gets further validation when someone finds them attractive and how some tgirls play with sexuality and tease for validaiton.

What they meant with and i've seen this first hand as we cam a feeling of validation as a t girl knowing what youre saying or a flash of stocking top is getting someone off who sees the t girl as desirable with most admirers i've chatted to saying they think on cam not that they're watching a man dressed as a woman but a woman

Some will dissagree with this but if thats how admirers minds work then ok and if it gets them off so what?

so have any t girls here chatted to an admirer whos found them attractive and teased the admirer knowing the admirer is getting off on it?

what do other wives think of this? i find it harmless but others may see it as something else?

Hannah (Wife)

Hi Emma

In answer to your comment 'T girls like to tease?' I can only answer on anecdotal evidence. I have spoken to T girls who like to tease the male admirers. Part of this is away of reaffirming their femininity. Can they play the role of the woman - normally this is the defined as the flirty, submissive role. You will see on TVChix that most T girls define themselves as submissive if they use that tag.

I've also spoken to T girls who have met admirers to act out their feminine role. The ultimate fantasy for them is playing the role of the woman in the relationship. I'll leave it to your imagination as to what they are willing to do to fulfil this role!

I know this isn't the case fo all T girls. There are many reasons why we feel the need to crossdress but some like to tease and go further.

Katie x

Hope they make more designated survivors. .. I'm almost at the end of Homeland.

Hi Emma

When I say men are more visual I think that we need a visual stimulation. I bet most people who watch porn are men! Whereas I think women have more imagination so don't always need that visual stimulation. Even to the extent that I need to see a dress on a model, I'm not good at picking something off the rack. If I see it one somebody I can imagine wearing it but I struggle when it's on the rack or just a picture.

What I'm saying is that I do find some trans women attractive. It was something I struggled to come to terms with but as I've matured I think that I've learned not to worry about the sexual connotations. That's why I like the term gynosexual.

Doing something about it is another matter. Having just passed my 28th wedding anniversary I don't see that changing but in a different life maybe. It is always possible to fantasise.

I think our crossdressing is the next step from actually thinking about what it would be like to be the opposite gender. We practice. We can walk away from the stresses and expectations of being a male and take on the 'nice' aspects of being a woman. I know that being a woman has it's own set of expectations and stresses but we're only pretending so can escape into that fantasy world.

Just finished watching the first series of Designated Survivor. Italia Ricci as Emily in the White House wears some stunning clothes.

Katie x

Hi Katie

Men are more visual than women that's not to say us women don't look men up and down we're just more discrete.

There are plenty of trans women who look very attractive but are you hinting to fancying fancying other trans women Katie? at ease with your sexuality.

Yes I've found other women attractive most women have a girl crush on a celeb.

I have thought what it would be like to be a man and think most aspects it would be easier than being a woman. No idea about the stress although most of you men are stressed but a lot of that is your own fault and you bottle up your emotions.

Pencil skirts blouse and heels sounds good.

T girls like to tease?

Emma (Wife)

When I said being polite I meant calling them 'admirers' instead of something else which maybe derogatory 😂

I always miss out on the interesting posts!🤣🤣

Just butting in on the subject of a woman fancying us as T-Girls.

On my journey as Cat I've come to realise that I'm a Translesbian.

Now some girls call themselves that but will be attracted to other dressers or transgender women, but I'm only attracted to cis gender women and I've found that I do get a bit of attention from either bisexual women and even lesbians, and for me it would be a dream come true, unfortunately my own wife is no way bi so thats not going to happen.

But it is very flattering when a woman not only compliments you on how you look but also finds you attractive as a woman.

Cat xx

The voyerism post wasn't up long it was off with Steve the admirer into the black hole of rejected posts which have been few .. I think I've only had to reject 2 posts the whole time this forums been running. And yes dream if a woman fancies you dressed.. I wish Esme fancied Davina lol

I saw that post when i popped in on voyeurism meant to come back and comment when i had more time

I assumed he meant web cam but in person what did he want to do ?

Right decision kicking him off here Davina

What do you think of Women fancying you as a girl?

I guess thats a crossdressers dream?

HAnnah (Wife)

I knew you women did it on purpose! Esme is out now at the supermarket in flat shoes its dreadful I'd be that woman in heels tottering about with a trolley lol. Its weird having a man fancy you as a man.. Flattering to be fancied as a T girl lol Davina

Hi Katie back at you

Ok to be polite but dont let creeps in please Davina lol

I appreciate the effort you girls put into looking like women and not like prostitutes lol

Yes we did revisit the flat shoe debate i see both sides of the argument and was guilty of it myself. Awww did we burst your bubble you thought we'd be in heels for life and didnt dress fancy just to snare you and then say right we've got you now jeans and flat shoes it is get under our thumbs lol

I dont care if a man fancies my man as a man but fancying my man as a woman is creepy the end

Say it as it is dont be nice Davina you chucked him off for the voyerism stuff cold shivers is anyone into being watched in person wow stalker alert

Emma (Wife)

I was being polite giving him an opportunity to state a case and position here. Also hoping there may have been something to add honour why do we cross dress and there was a bit in there around him as an admirer saying he appreciates the effort us t girls put into looking fem.. We have to And more discussion on the unwritten rule when wives abandon high heels and it feels to like someone put a pin through our football. There may have been a place for further discussion but and I know Steve didn't like this but wives found having an admirer here as creepy. I get that but he did throw the hand grenade back what if a man fancied your man as a man. General feedback on this was wives found that funny.. But found a man fancying us as a tgirl creepy.. I kinda get it as in an ergo way deep down wives find us cross dressing creepy too? I can understand that but know this .. Although we may be flattered by a man or woman or t girl telling us we look nice or list after us that's not what we're going for or trying to achieve here .. Nice for the ego.. But is nothing compared by the relaxation that we benefit from when we dress.. Speaking for myself that is. Davina So yes we were being polite to till the voyeurism in person bit then hit the eject button.. To be fair he did say you'd better kick me out.

Hi Emma

I think it's just us being polite.

Katie x

Yes Emma I took Steve off the group and the posts with him.

Was by his request as he realised this Forum is not for him but from the last post I was going to delete it anyway.

Its for T girls questioning why we dress, for wives and girlfriends questioning why we dress and to hopefully find some middle ground for a level of acceptance.

I was interesting in part the debate that came from that initial post (some not all) but agree no place for the post on voyeurism on here I dont think any on the group are into that or wanting to talk about that here.

I have had some normal chats with admirers on tvchix non sexual some nice compliments but in general just regular chats about general things and as Cat says some start that way then ask about a leg over... more like broken legs lol

Hi Em, we tend to call them "Chasers" more than admirers.

When I've been out as Catriona I don’t seem to have any problems with them, they will sometime compliment, have a chat and then leave it at that, I NEVER accept a drink from them.

But its online you tend to get the most issues, they will start off by being polite and respectful but then the conversation quickly turns to the subject of sex and thats my que to just tell them I'm only interested in cis gender women and that usually sends them packing and either they apologise or just unfriend and block me.

But I do also get a lot of lady Admirers as well so its not just men who are chasers.

I was going to ask why they were called admirers. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of admiring going on but a lot of perving!