I asked Jeans permission to put her post in the Why are we hare forum post into a separate post as much we can see in what Jean has written.
From Jean
I came here after reading the blog and read everything here as well.
I am quite a shy quiet person and don’t really like contributing as sometimes my opinion can be quite anti some of the posters who are so intolerant so I prefer to keep quite and not cause conflict.
I did not tell my wife when we met 28 years ago, there was no internet then and it was something we had to keep secret so I purged everything, I was in the army at the time and my only escape was when I went home on Holiday and would dress when my parents were out or away.
I started dressing again after about 15 years into our marriage, I had retired from the army and was an IT Manager and had to travel all over England and Scotland so had time away in hotels where I could dress in private as it was a form of escape from the lack of sexual contact due to my wifes many medical conditions including very low lobido.
My wife found knickers when i was washing them, I told her they were mine and I was a crossdresser she threw them away and said I had to stop, she did not understand and was unwilling to listen.
There is a lot of talk from women that crossdressers should never marry if they have not told their future wife from the begining
That is fine for nowadays with all the information that is readily available, but for us older ones that was not the case when we met and we then believed that our true love would concur our dressing secret and it would never come back.
As Davina has said so often women do change and although we still love them they stop dressing as we feel women should and they end up wearing the trousers and we go back to compensating for this by returning to our own dressing.
Forward on 13 years and my wife is now semi-supportive and tolerates my dressing in the flat.
She does not want anyone were we live to know about my other self.
My wife has been out with me dressed once to a local support group who were really nice but I did not feel it was my thing as I feel more at home in the real world than a once a month support group venue.
That makes going out more difficult but I do manage as my car has really dark rear windows and being an E class Merc Estate has plenty of room to change in the back.
I am more transgendered than just a crossdresser and would really like to be fully out.
I know that when out dressed I do not really pass as I am 6tf 4” tall and weigh 20 stone but don’t really care what others think as it is what I feel and enjoy.
My Daughter and son including their partners know, wife’s ex and his current wife(no 4) know as well as his daughters from his second marriage and their mother know, one of his daughters owns a beauty salon and has done my nails, lashes and hair, she was the second person to know after my wife and I have been to her salon dressed and all her girls are really supportive too.
I think I have rambled on to much here and not sure if it the right place but hayho, currently watching tv wife is in leggings no makeup and I’m wearing a skirt, holdups, bra, blouse with makeup but no wig (I am growing my hair out so starting to get longer).
It really makes me happy that Esme, Emma and Hanna are so supportive of their husbands dressing but they are a rarity I believe, my wife semi supporting but she would really prefer I was not how I am.
Jean x
Crisscrossing lol my phone does that too are you on Samsung? lol
It's nice to read someone's honest crisscrossing story.
So brave out in public.
I've taken my husband out in public but we'll away from immediate view people saw him as her from a distance only quite exciting.
Hope to hear more Jean.
Emma (wife)
Unlike Davina who chats and Skype‘s other t-girl and wives etc, I only post replies to Forum posts if I am certain of my facts and know what I’m talking about. I have never chatted in chat rooms. I read other forums TvChix, Crossdresser Heaven, Transgender Heaven and Susan’s org. My views on most things are middle of the road and I feel I’m quite tolerant of others. Some of the Forums have posts that I don’t follow as that get very argumentative and feel hostile.
As I said my wife is tolerant and semi supportive but she did not want anyone to know and was not happy that I told my step daughter and stepson but they are in the late to mid 30’s so not children anymore. As I said the 2nd person to know was my wife’s ex husbands youngest daughter who being a beautician noticed my clear polished nails and also mascara, it was not panda eyes so she knew what to look for. When she opened her own salon she would do my nails and suggested tinting lashes, so whilst tinting and waxing brows she asked and we shared things which we did not tell others. She only told her mother and sister once I had been to her salon dressed to have my nails and hair done. She also bought me my 1st ever female present for Christmas a purple suede and leather mini skirt which amazingly fitted and I love to wear.
I have only met one other transgender person and that was when I was having back laser hair removal, she was transitioning and guessed I was cross dressing/transgendered as she was the manager I got a good discount on full body laser including face. When she left I was able to finish course but still need at least six more sessions, I also will need electrolysis on my face as the grey will not respond to laser.
For those worried about passing when out, I have done the following: dressed as my female self. Checked in to Ferry terminal showed male passport got on ferry to France, sat with a family older couple with grown up son, the wife was very friendly and chatted with me even though I don’t try to sound female, they were all very pleasant. In France showed male passport again without any problems, although had to get out of car to open rear and boot for checks they were fine.
Life story going on here so best stop before I get outed. Sorry already done that.
Jean x
Thanks Jean
So nice to read about your dressing and thanlks for reading the Blog and the posts in this forum.
I hope they’re helpful.
I’m quite a shy person myself really although have this alpha male persona.. more of an act .. something society expects me to be in my line of work, in sport and a husband and father etc etc.
Part of it the real me but it supresses parts of our personality and bottles up the more “fem” thoughts and parts of us we’re not allowed to display as MEN.
Hard for me to even admit to having Fem feelings which are feelings and thoughts people would associate with being Fem as in appreciating good makeup, high heels a nice dress or seeing things from a more fem perspective, compassion etc etc.
Myself and Katie have had lots of chats about how Testosterone diminishes as we get older noting lots of people seem to be coming to crossdressing later in life.
I get how your opinion can be anti some of the posters less tolerant.
For those who post anti-trans things I also get wound up as do I hearing banter about trans on the tip of my tongue with men in work taking the mik out of trans people to say “i’m trans what you think about thet”.. they’d laugh and say as if you’re trans knowing the man that is me but I bet i’m not the only crossdresser in the group and some are including themselves in the banter to cover their own crossdressing..
There are more who crossdress than we realise in my opinion.
I can understand people being anti crossdressing if they are dating or married to a t girl as its a big thing to have to cope with that important unimportant thing we do crossdressing a part of us something that helps us escape and something which we find fun and relax doing which is so hard to explain “Why do men crossdress?” - If we asked the general public it would come back, gay, perverts, to attract men, etc etc so far off the mark for the majority of us.
I didnt tell my wife either when we met but I also wasn’t really dressing when we dated .. I didnt need to as you should have seen her in very short skirts and tights legs on display and high heels and we were at it like Rabbits lol so I didnt have the urge to dress we were together all the time outside of me being in uni and her in work.
When we moved in together I dabbled in trying a few things on but not really dressing often until she one day asked to dress me as a woman out of the blue which was not linked to her knowing I crossdressed it was because she wanted to see if her macho husband would let her and then I confessed I dressed before and the urge returned after seeing myself dressed by her with makeup and how quite convincing I looked and I was eager to see myself in a wig and how I could look if I could pass.
Something also came up in our relationship quite stressful for us both and I chased promotions and with that came stress and I started crossdressing again and it went from there 3 or 4 years into our marriage I admitted I was a crossdresser and wanted her to know about it … it took 8 years for her to meet me as “Davina” which was a revelation and our relationship as wife and crossdressing husband got better and better with her further acceptance seeing me dressed with a few girls nights in and seeing me dressed working from home to where we are now.
Can you imagine 15 years on still trying to hide my crossdressing from her I wonder how our relationship would be.
I think keeping it secret is a big decision as is telling as theres no telling how your wife will react .
I also had someone tell me I should have told my wife before we got married that I was a crossdresser but before we married when dating as above “i wasnt crossdressing” and how was I to know the urge would return so strong and it to become something I find fun and find a stress release, something relaxing somehow I cant explain and a turn on (maybe the fetish side people say it is).
Another Theme in Jeans post is she was in the Army and I’ve encountered lots of t girls who were in the Army, indeed the t girl I met as a bloke man to man lol in a car park (wife knew about this, as I asked if it was ok me meeting him) well long story but he was in the army working away and had a wardrobe of girly things some brand new and was moving back home and although his wife knew he was a tgirl she wasnt aware he was dressing away so was purging and asked if I wanted her breast forms so we met made the exchange chatted about dressing sureal but nice to see im not alone.. Anyway lots of t girls seem to be in stressful jobs and crossdressing seems to help.
When I travel if im alone in the hotel I pack Davina and spend the night in the hotel room dressed as a chance to just relax and have a chat on line whilst dressed with other t girls or wives etc on tv chix or skype.
I can also see that lack of sex is a driver.. Weve had 2 kids and although ive not discussed this with my wife and not sure if she knew she was doing this or not but almost 2 years after each child was born our sex life was pretty slow so I used to dress up myself to compensate and get myself off.
Better than cheating lol.
I can understand Jeans wife telling him to stop I assume most wives would ask this but amazing to hear she’s come round to accepting crossdressing.
I’ve said it and said it women do change and although we still love them they do stop dressing as we feel women should (that sounds sexist I know but there is a way we love women to dress not sure this is all men or maybe just us t girls) We love seeing them in makeup and tights, dresses and high heels instead of trousers and leggins and flat shoes with minimal makeup lots of t girls have said this and we end up partly compensating by crossdressing and wearing the things we would prefer to see them wear but not like if they did we’d stop.. lol we want our cake and eat it.
Amazing to see Jeans wife is semi supportive and tolerates her dressing.. My wifes the same id say supportive but still would say she’d prefer I didnt do it and finds it strange.
My wife has never been out with me dressed and dont think she ever will though we’ve chatted about it and I still would like to go out but no idea why.
I did leave the hotel when away with work a few weeks back to get a phone charger from the car it felt so exciting having stared at myself in the mirror from all angles checking I looked passable.. two people saw me up close and didnt bat an eyelid and a few saw me from a distance and likewise paid no attention to me I was pretty proud and I know reading this Esme will call me an idiot but miles from home no one would know its me and probably not gonna be at that hotel again.
I would go to a local support group maybe if I thought it would be useful and would be nice to meet a few people from this forum who i’ve been chatting to for a few years btu id only do that as Davina not as male me.. id be in disguise..
Problem my wife sees with this is shes in plain sight .. maybe she needs a wig and a disguise too lol.. something for our next girls night in.
Intreesting to read Jean is more transgendered than just a crossdresser and would really like to be fully out.
We all have different degrees of dressing wants and needs. I’ve been dressing over 4 decades and still see it as fun still prefer being male but use crossdressing for fun and escapism and R&R never intend or want to go any further with this than acting fem dressing fem from time to time.
Maybe a bit more frequenct than I can currently and yes would like my wife involved mre, would like to try a makeover and maybe going out but dont like to spend too much money on crossdressing .. makeovers expensive as is staying away if we were to go out dressed.
Amazing that Jeans family know she dresses too something my wife would not want to happen also interesting is Juliettes wife and her have told their daughter she dresses which I will post the video of shortly in the vodeo part of the forum.. a brave decision and one which seems to have gone down well.
Great rambling Jean sparked all this rambling from me and opened up my apetite for blogging and the forum again with the intro of new girls here recently.
Have yo asked your wife whats going on in her mind as youre sat there watching tv in a skirt, holdups, bra, blouse with makeup etc and asked her why she doesnt dress up so often?
Thanks
Davina